[OPPOLITICS] Victor Davis Hanson: Deport the Deplorables (ATJ)

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 07/17/2018 at 17:05 • Filed to: None

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A bipartisan disdain exists for the middle and working classes...

Here is part of the 5% of what Victor Davis Hanson writes that I read. I guess some Lefties are saying, “Deport the Deplorables.” Onto this sentiment, VDH relentlessly attaches, “...and Replace them with Illegals.” It never occurred to me to read that into it, but oh well. It’s interesting how he spins the bumper sticker, but also interesting that the bumper sticker gets a rise out of him. NOTE: VDH has yet to write a word (that I’ve seen) about North Korea or now, Russia

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 17:07

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Deport the deporters

Ash78, voting early and often > For Sweden 07/17/2018 at 17:13

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“ Deport me once, shame on you. Deport me twice...we won’t get deported again.”

—George “ doble v ” Bush

LOREM IPSUM > For Sweden 07/17/2018 at 17:17

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Deport the reporters.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > LOREM IPSUM 07/17/2018 at 17:22

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Woah! Woah there! Don’t be giving 45 any ideas now

LOREM IPSUM > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/17/2018 at 17:25

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Lmfao, so true.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 17:25

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Deport the Deplorables is a slogan of popular culture, found on bumper stickers, t-shirts, and internet postings.

Or, as my music history teacher used to say when I made an unsupported statement, “Oh, really?”

I read a little bit of Hansen’s piece. Right down to where he cherry picks from David Brooks’ column, which he helpfully doesn’t link to. I had to Google it. It’s a little long, but here is what Brooks had to say, with the necessary context. And here’s a link if you’d like to read Brooks’ whole piece.

Every few years I try to write a column staking out a reasonable middle ground on immigration. After all, most big, important issues are clashes in which both sides have a piece of the truth.

The case for restricting immigration seems superficially plausible. Over the last several decades we’ve conducted a potentially reckless experiment. The number of foreign-born Americans is at record highs, straining national cohesion, raising distrust. Maybe America should take a pause, as we did in the 1920s. After all, that pause seemed to produce the cohesive America of the 1940s that won the war and rose to pre-eminence.

Every few years I try to write this moderate column. And every few years I fail. That’s because when you wade into the evidence you find that the case for restricting immigration is pathetically weak. The only people who have less actual data on their side are the people who deny climate change.

You don’t have to rely on pointy-headed academics. Get in your car. If you start in rural New England and drive down into Appalachia or across into the Upper Midwest you will be driving through county after county with few immigrants. These rural places are often 95 percent white. These places lack the diversity restrictionists say is straining the social fabric.

Are these counties marked by high social cohesion, economic dynamism, surging wages and healthy family values? No. Quite the opposite. They are often marked by economic stagnation, social isolation, family breakdown and high opioid addiction. Charles Murray wrote a whole book, “Coming Apart,” on the social breakdown among working-class whites, many of whom live in these low immigrant areas.

One of Murray’s points is that “the feasibility of the American project has historically been based on industriousness, honesty, marriage and religiosity.” It is a blunt fact of life that, these days, immigrants show more of these virtues than the native-born. It’s not genetic. The process of immigration demands and nurtures these virtues.

Interesting what lies between the ellipses.

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fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 17:30

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I suspect VDH has his head in the sand regarding both Russia and DPRK just as much as any of the base, he just uses a calmer tone and prettier words.

Regarding his “ deport” scribble, I love how the “elite” are the supposed beneficiaries of this movement, and not rightist business owners who regularly exploit cheap vulnerable labor. I believe VDH has dodged this truth in the past.

Any site that recommends reading at both Breitbart and ZeroHedge can’t be taken seriously.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 18:06

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White middle/working class guy here. Don’t throw me in with the racists. These are the deplorables:

Of course, I’m sure he’s just upset because he lost his seasonal job picking fruit to a kid from Mexico , so we should excuse his xenophobia and racism.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 07/17/2018 at 18:14

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But when he says “bipartisan disregard” for the Deplorables, for VDH, that is a huge cession.

aquila121 > ttyymmnn 07/17/2018 at 18:32

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I’d like to buy you a beer.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/17/2018 at 18:33

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Yes, but he is also more frequently admitting the existence of “an uncouth Trump.” It took him months to move from “deportment” to “uncouth.” And fifteen years ago, when I used to actually argue about politics, I had it suggested to me many times that if I didn’t like it, I could move to Russia.

VDH is my balance checker, my go-to so that I can feel like I make an effort to dip my toe into what the Right is saying.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/17/2018 at 18:34

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To my knowledge, VDH has yet to even mention the North Korea junket.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 07/17/2018 at 18:40

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Do you notice the smile of amusement on the fact of the videographer behind him? Bunch of horses’ asses.

ttyymmnn > aquila121 07/17/2018 at 18:49

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I accept!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 07/17/2018 at 19:15

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I don’t know about you, but I’m glad I’m not that guy.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 21:32

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It’s almost like he’s being intellectually dishonest.  That or deceptive, we can take our pick.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 21:35

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Sadly for anyone who cares about the worldwide image of the US, Trump passed the “uncouth” line before I was born. He’s a full-on boor now, the embodiment of all unfair stereotypes of ugly Americans and boomers both.  I am not sure if the nation will ever fully recover from this.  The “love it or leave it” people are the worst - that’s definitely a deplorable view.

VDH is still relatively palatable for the R side (and better than most other apologists) , but he’s not helping himself in the cred department.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 21:49

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I don’t know what its like to live in the San Jaoquin Valley. But I have spent most of my life on the edge of a rural portion of A ppalachia .

I think VDH needs to take Brooks journey, get in a car and leave So Cal and spend some time in rural Applalachia. The county I live in is 93.8% white. Thec ounty population has not increased in 40 years as anyone who can get out does. and the next county over has increased by 2 0%.

And from passing comments, a large portion atest to the notion that “mexicans” are stealing all the jobs. I put mexicans in quotes as difference between legal and illegal is irrelevant to many here . According to their economic view mexicans stole all the agriculture jobs in the 1800s, followed by the dairy farms in the 1920s, and collapsed all the factories in the 70s somehoe 20 years before nafta. driving an hour east, and an hour is the difference between France and R omania.

“ Steel mills and manufacturers did not leave rural America, and family farms did not collapse, because of preexisting opioid addiction and family breakdowns. Rather these pathologies arose from chronic recession and depression, due to radical changes in the global economy, which outsourced any American jobs that most easily could be replicated abroad.”

For someone who is quick to attack brooks, he should do some reseach on the area. Its conveinent how he just kind of skips over major shifts in population. The economic stagnation of appalachia has been going on forever with an exodus since the 193 0s . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly_Highway

I think VDH has a delusional yearning for jeffersonian yeoman farmer that is gone and never returning in this economy. He starts with a point, does a line of coke and goes off the fucking rails.

NK recently? No. silence.. I can’t comprehend why? s/

And russia? for such a long time hawk this past week must have his head imploding.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail 07/17/2018 at 23:41

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Trump’s triumph over the American political system is total and complete. Astounding. And Sean Hannity today was spouting on his radio show about the Republicans being “feckless.” So they surrender their party to Trump, then Trump’s sycophants kick them in the teeth when they’re on the ground.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/17/2018 at 23:51

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Populist idiocy along the lines never seen before in American history, something the system simply wasn’t prepared for. If Trump is anything, he’s a great manipulator and con man , and he’s pulled one over on so many.

Hannity is more or less a feckless l unt, himself. Traitors, the lot of them.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 07/17/2018 at 23:53

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He starts with a point, does a line of coke and goes off the fucking rails.

I would put it differently, but I would say exactly the same thing.

I’ve picked VDH because of his geographic location relative to me. I’ve mentioned this here before, and if to you, sorry for repeating myself. In spite of the fact that the Central Valley is Africa hot 11 months out of the year — I exaggerate a tiny bit — I really like the place. Can’t say why, maybe John Steinbeck. VDH lives the life, experiences the brown people, et cetera. What he does with that experience is why I read his posts 5% of the time because he lives it.

What I found fascinating about his article was his obsession with the idea of the brown people, each time he mentioned them, being “illegal.” I don’t think the corollary to the “Deport the Deplorables” would be “Replace ‘em with Wetbacks.” Would never occur to me. Also, Trump people who talk about HRC supposedly whining about losing. The only whining I’ve heard has been Trump whining about winning.

I’ve no expertise and scant experience with the part of the country you refer to. I’ve hiked a couple of stretches of the Appalachian Trail and I have extended family in rural Pennsylvania. I know a lady with a yuge dairy farm and last time I was there, everybody there was White.

I’m no historian, but I watched a show once about the Battle of the Bulge, which was described as “the Nazis’ last vicious jab” of WWII. Then they lost and Hitler offed himself in a bunker with his girlfriend. I’m not talking about anybody being offed, but I am hoping that Trump is the Battle of the Bulge of White American nationalists. I hope there is an end to this because right now, Trump has totally and completely subjugated American politics, IMHO.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 07/18/2018 at 21:34

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I have been trying to put together this overarching explination for the last decade. hang with me for a second

6 0 years ago there were many dogwhistles during the civil rights era. except in modern times many have become almost too abstract or most people too far removed. at the same time you have people just going out there and spewing crap, see conspiracy theories, birtherism just being eaten up by the alt right.

immigration falls right in. you have a crazy venn diagram of not wanting illegals, folks that want zero immigration, people who don’t care, and just a mess of hidden and public motives. the left doesn’t do any good by just blanket calling people rascists. Your point is interesting on looking to see how people think when going from immigrants, to mexicans, to illegal. On if they’re distinquishing different groups or just compiling them all into the dangerous “ other”.

Then you have disingenuous, the “i’m just asking a question? Why the hate? ” such as one person who posted here about his lovefest for the confederate flag. No one can be that dense in 2018 to ignore the historical implications .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 07/19/2018 at 09:11

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Yes, to all of what you’ve said. My one-word explanation is paranoia on the part of a group of White people, a group that has been ignored and pilloried by elite liberals. I find the paranoia laughably absurd, but also dangerous.

...blanket calling people racists...

I’ve been doing a lot of thinking on this one. I think you are right to call that out and I think calling that out is what the Right calls “identity politics.” I had a conversation with a woman I go to church with whom I greatly respect. She is an attorney who is all about religious liberty. She has been at the table in the SCOTUS more than once, writes occasionally for the New York Times, and is friends with some prominent people in Washington. My friend said she wanted Amy Coney Barrett to get the nomination because woman. I told her that I felt the same, but that I resented being labeled identity politics for wanting that. She sort of squirmed and didn’t really take it up, but I believe it’s a thing. An unfair thing.

If you have a tray covered in marbles, and all the marbles are at one end of the tray, simply leveling the tray is not going to redistribute the marbles. You have to tilt it back the other way a bit, for a minute.